Bailey - I was born in Refugio, 1903. Well my grandpa was a slave, ole man Han Shaw. He came in here… My mother's parents is ole man Sam Upton, Stella Rice. Well I'll tell you, my grandma she originated from down in the Blackjacks. my grandpa he's, uh, he's a Irishman. You take my grandpa, he owned cattle, he owned horses and that's where I learned from, Copano Creek, and that's where I learned how to ride from breakin' horses for them. And I went over here one time, oh it's been a good while ago, Willie Jones, you know Willie Jones, he was a young kid. He broke a horse they called Funny Paper over here for Mr. Joe O'Connor. And I told Uncle Louis if you let that horse throw him, I can kick up and throw 'em, you know it. And he said "you can't ride him "and I said put the saddle on him. And I rode him, and he said.. the old man.. said Louis Power said "he can ride, he ain't forgot it". He said that man ain't rode a horse in 20 years, "look a there boy, I'll show you a horse rider" And I said you don't get on it right away, you get on him and let him throw you before you get on him. He said how you get on him. Pull him to you and when you go up there you go up there to ride. I wanted to be, you know, just sho nuff cowboy, and I want to be a rough cowboy, I wanted to be wild rider but I never did get too fur but I got fur enough. I got to see what I wanted to do. After I got to where horses could throw me, I didn't like that.